Huge Kudos to Backcountry.com for Taking a Stand (unlike the rest of you wankers)

Can you beleive it? An outdoor industry company is taking a stand! The following organic cotton T-Shirts to be available pre-show at Backcountry.com. During the show, they'll be available at a yet to be determined bo0th location. All proceeds will be gifted to an as yet decided enviromental organization (The Piton would suggest The Conservation Alliance). We'll be posting updates as available. I've got to go... I'm going to cry... great job Backcountry.

(post will be updated as information becomes available)

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Comments

Just curious as to what car/cars the authors of the Piton drive?
Must be hybrids, or even veggie power...

[The Piton]

http://www.teslamotors.com/styling/body.php

[Carson]

Here's another nice choice:

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/gasoline/-/pv_design_prod/p_strk3.40090106/pNo_40090106/id_9985262/fpt_/opt_/c_0/pg_

[summitbum]

This is not about what type of cars we should drive instead the Outdoor Industry supporting motorized recreation. I drive a 1995 Nissan Pathfinder with 178,994 miles and yes it only gets 20 miles per gallon.

[Moldy Chum]

I ditched my H2 for one of these.

http://www.hummerh8.com/index_wr.html

[Damn Raccoon]

People who latch onto this hacknied, green-fashion-of-the-month position are just stupid.

It's not what you drive, it's what you drive it on. My diesels all run on B100 biodiesel, which makes my trucks greener than the wankers driving hybrids.

How much energy was expended to manufacture your little Prius or Insight? A hell of a lot more than it took to manufacture my diesel trucks.

[Tom Finzel]

Read this article to see what the true cost to own a Hummer vs. a Hybrid car is.

I think you'll be surprised at the results.

Have you hugged a Hummer today?

http://www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060719.shtml

[The Piton]

GM's ad agency hacks are starting to respond. I'm mean really, who else would take the time to defend Hummer?

[Damn Raccoon]

Well Tom, it takes no intelligence to be negative, derogatory or opinionated. However, it does take intelligence to consider viewpoints that differ from yours.

On the other hand, it takes tolerance in addition to intelligence to realize that not everyone on the planet wants to drive what you drive, or live the way you live.

If you are truly holier than me, I hope you are fruitarian, have never killed a living thing in your life, don't give your kids medicine that has been tested on animals, produce your own fuel and energy, never bought a rainforest product and don't generate garbage.

[Mike Hegge]

LOL! "The Piton" should really start thinking for him(her)self and get educated.

We have Hummer H1's and run them off of B100 Biodiesel. I also get avg 16 MPG unlike some other vehicles, but people just keep perpetuating bullshit.

As for H2's well, those aren't really Hummers anyway.. They are GM Garbage.

[The Piton]

Wow, H1 drivers eat thier young...

and Mr. Raccoon, I think you owe Tom an apology. He's on your side.

[Norbert the Hun]

Don't waste your time with these Hippies. you could have a solar powered Hummer and it wouldn't be good enough for them. They only know what they've been told by thier Democratic puppet masters.

I run my H1 on straight biofuel (B100). I've built my own waste vegtable oil processor, and I'm in the process of homebrewing my own biofuel. iregardless I'm still the enemy, isn't that righ mr.Hippie?

When's the last time you towed a trailer out to the forrest or desert and spent the weekend picking up trash for the forrest service? Hmmm?

Maybe you could come to my house and slash my tires like some of your Hippie buddies did in Boulder (or was it Pueblo?) to some friends Hummer. Then I could buy some more tires and toss the old ones in a land fill because they are ruined and can't be retreaded for reuse.

You people are so very very ignorant. You don't even know what it is you hate, do you? You hate a name. Thats it. You're the same people that Hitler led around by the nose and nearly snuffed out a culture with. And you'll be the same people that sell America down the river because you can't think for you self and you'll steel mine and everybody else freedom as you do it. Don't believe the Hype! Wake up and educate yourself. Your leaders are false prophets.

[Norbert the Hun]

Sorry I forgot to say "I like your $100 sandals"

[oldandfat]

Regarding comments by Norbert the Hun -

Norbert - I find your comments to be interesting and your train of original thought to be most enlightening:

"Don't believe the Hype" - Public Enemy.

"Wake Up" - Rage Against the Machine

"educate yourself" - Big Bird, Sesame Street

"your leaders are false prophets" -Matthew 5:17

Anyone who can dub Flava Flav and Rage with Scripture then mix in some Big Yellow Bird is, indeed, Seriously Cool.

Have you considered purchasing the new uber-eco conversion kit for your H1 Veggie XXBS 1000? With some simple modifications you can run your vehicle on a potent mixture of your sense of self-righteous patriotic indignation and your own farts(kit is available only in red, white or blue trim.)

I would also respectfully suggest converting your "waste vegetable oil processor" to a hydroponic growing chamber - some home-brewed sticky-icky might help with your simmering anger, hippie-hate and high blood pressure.

Keep Up the Good Work!

[that's "MR HUMMER" to you, fuck face]

has this person even read anything about biodiesel??
real inteligent responce from the fringe;
"Have you considered purchasing the new uber-eco conversion kit for your H1 Veggie XXBS 1000? With some simple modifications you can run your vehicle on a potent mixture of your sense of self-righteous patriotic indignation and your own farts(kit is available only in red, white or blue trim.) "

[oldandfat]

Dear "Mr Hummer" to you FF (fabulous name)

Living out here on the lunatic fringe I do not get to the library as often as I would like, but I did read something about bio-diesil once in Grist and it sounded really, really groovy.

Personally I run my Kenworth 18 wheeler on a cold-fusion process that I engineered by blending Tofurkey and Peach Schnapps with used copies of Let My People go Surfing. I get 120 mpg (highway,) and every time I downshift an albino baby dolphin is saved - I'm so Green I'm Blue, baby.

By the way - there are two l's in intelligent (but only one in arsehole) and response has an s, not a c (however, "gosh, my cock is tiny" has two c's.)

[Norbert The Hun]

Thanks I think? The Rant and Spelling errors on my behalf are due to the fact I work a 12hr night shift from 6 to 6. But its hard to tell if you take what I'm saying seriously.
My position is I bought a Hummer H1 for back country exploration because I outgrew my Jeep TJ(why don't you hate jeeps to? I only got 14mpg in it with no chance of being able to burn anything clean). With the Hummer I don't try any stunts or rock climbing. Also as well as the H1 is engineered, I never have issues with traction. I don't cause ruts from wheel spin. my weight is dipersed over a large area. so whats so bad about me being out in the back country exploring old forgotton trails? unlike so many backpackers I've met, I haul out all my trash.
Do you & you brethren hate me and my truck because it was derived from an implement of war? Did I mention I bought it used, so its kinda like recycled in a warped sense.

Is it so bad that I take my brood way out far away from the city so that they might understand how things are really supposed to be rather than believe some artificaly created scene(zoo, Park, etc).

I wouldn't even be posting here if I didn't get so much hate from tree huggers. I usually can't even get them to listen to my intro/explenation of bio fuel.

And how is a Ford Expedition, or a Toyota Sequoia any better than an H2? Do you guys have a website dedicated to hating those too? The H3 is a colorado truck frame and powerplant, but its basicly an updated Blazer/Cherokee with a skirt. See thats what I'm talking about. You hate the name. Would it be better if I rebaged my Hummer as... a Toyota or a Mitsubishi?

You want to hate, hate the hypocrites like Al Gore who preach conservation then have a damn opened up during drought to provide a photo op of him in a cannoe. Hate the oil companies who twart every attempt to move us out of the oil age. Hate the media that misinforms you about the world in which you live and delivers mind numbing reality(false) TV. But don't hate me because I drive a Hummer.

[BF]

hey norb,
you have a M998 right?
i have an '85 and i noticed a fair bit of side play in the diffy hubs, any thoughts?
b

[HummerLover]

About that M998 side play, you could have a bad CV joint or missing your retaining bolt. What you can do is go take a Prius and smash it together real hard with a compactor. Use a lathe to make sure it's nice and round, and replace the whole CV. (using a peice of shit like a Prius is much better than using real metal because steel is a non-renuable resource and Prisus are just recycled bullshit from losers in San Fran that small their own farts.

By the way, Nobert and B, welcome to the new Hummer forum.

[The Lorax]

Thanks to you all for taking this post directly downhill. Although I do have a comment from the Piton side regarding my $100 sandals. My $100 sandals have taken me around the world and they keep on going. By the way, the soles are made out of super, high tech rubber. Don't think all those tires from stabbed Hummers make it to the landfill, some of them are retreads for my kick ass sandles!

Happy Trails!

[#1 Hummer guy - - - - I LOVE HUMMERS....WE KNOW YOU DO TOO!]

pass a bill to take all firetrucks off the street? They get 2-3mpg and idle for hours (when fighting fires) burning thousands of gallons of diesel (some bio-diesel). Lets ban ambulances as well. Thousands of ambulances, that use the same motor as in the Hummer, are on the streets every day. Sure they’re saving lives, but they’re also burning fuel.

One last question: do every single one of you bigots walk EVERYWHERE you go? If not, you’re hypocrites. My Hummer, running on 100% bio-diesel or regular, put off way less hydrocarbons and CO2 than your gasoline cars do. Oh, and if we didn’t put out fires, using many Hummer fire trucks, billions of dollars in property and millions of acers of wildlife would be destroyed, therefore contributing to the greenhouse effect more than any of my vehicles.

[Humm This]

Hey, I own a Hummer and think those shirts are hilarious ... I plan to buy one!

[Mike Hegge]

I'll bet when one of these morons breaks his (her) leg out in the wilderness, amd one of us who uses our Hummers for Search and Rescue shows up, they're damn happy, and don't care what we save their ass in!

If a Prius could actually make it out past the pavement, I'd use one, but let's be realistic people.

[VanishingPoint]

I really wish that people on both sides would quit antagonizing each other and learn from each other. Both sides are picking easy stereotypes and just trying to anger each other and what does that accomplish?

You environmental guys: I empathize. I own an H1 and certainly taken in isolation it is a waste of resources and pollutes more than it should. But there were very few made and at this point of my life it seldom gets driven (like most H1's). I'd say since it has driven about a mile in the last three months it is a non polluter at this point. Maybe, just maybe, rather than picking on me for buying something I really like that really isn't part of the problem you should be working on educating me about global warming and what I can do to help on a daily basis. I don't run any uneccesary power in the house, my new home being built will be off the grid (solar power), I drive my mother in law's Toyota to work, I only have one child, we recycle aluminum, plastic, cardboard, wood, and paper, etc. Now not a single environmental type ever sat down with me to convince me to do these things and that is a damn shame. Why not? Teach people and help save the environment; antagonize them and watch them screw things up just to spite you. Like that helps anything.

You Hummer guys: you (probably like me) have money and some degree of power. Why not make a commitment to enjoy your Hummers and be as environmentally responsible in other venues. I bet each of us can get our homes of the grid for $30,000 to $50,000 by converting to solar power. Most of us have fewer children anyways (Demographics: more money = fewer children). Recycle and contribute to local organizations that help the environment. Seek out environmental activists with a constructive message and listen to them. Plant a bunch of trees on your properties. Commute in a fuel efficient vehicle. Contribute to various environmental organizations. Face it, we can do alot more, afford to do alot more to help the environment than folks who can't afford a Hummer. But don't fall into the trap of letting a few "activists" piss you off and get you to hating the environment. You guys can do a whole heck of alot more to help the world (even while driving a Hummer) than anyone who starts a blog simply to get people to hate.

The decline of our environment is a problem that won't be solved by hate and ignorance but by education and cash. Both sides need to help each other here.

[pitching in]

Here's a thought perhaps both sides can agree upon. Let's encourage the auto industry to stop creating commercials with SUV's storming all over our beautiful backcountry. It bums out the hippies and incorrectly stereotypes the nature-loving SUV owners who stick to the roads.